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The bargain that is actually a violation

Gifts, referrals and rebating

The gift card for a quote, the free tablet with a policy, the waived first payment, the cash for sending a friend. None of it happens here, and the reason is a statute rather than a preference.

  • $25 statutory ceiling
  • No referral fees to the unlicensed
  • Paid for from your premium

There is no gift for a quote here. There is no gift for a quote here. New York Insurance Law 2324 forbids a producer from offering a rebate, or any inducement not specified in the policy above a $25 value, to win your business. The gift card, the free tablet, the waived first payment and the referral fee paid to somebody who is not licensed are not generosity and not a bargain — they are the thing the statute is about, and they are paid for out of the same premium either way.

New York Insurance Law 2324 prohibits an insurer or a licensed producer from offering a rebate from the premium, or any special favour, advantage or valuable consideration not specified in the policy, as an inducement to buy insurance. There is a narrow allowance for items of no more than $25 in value.

That covers considerably more than an envelope of cash. It covers the gift card for taking a quote, the tablet with the policy, the waived first month, and the cheque for referring a friend. These are marketed as generosity and they are the thing the statute is about.

Why the rule exists at all

Because a filed rate is supposed to apply equally to everybody presenting the same risk. Rebating breaks that: two identical households pay different effective prices depending on who negotiated harder or who was worth more to the producer. That is unfair discrimination, and it is the second half of the section's title.

There is a second reason and it is the more practical one. A producer competing on gifts is not competing on advice, and an inducement large enough to change your decision is large enough to distract you from the cover. The statute pushes the competition back toward the thing that actually matters.

Who ends up paying for it

You do. A gift is an expense, expenses are inside the filed rate, and a producer who is buying business with presents is recovering the cost from the premiums of the people who take them and the people who do not. There is no other source of money in the arrangement.

Which makes it a poor trade even leaving the statute aside. A $50 gift card against a policy that is $300 a year more than it needed to be, or $300 of cover short, is not a deal. It is an advertisement you were paid a small amount to accept.

Referral fees, which catch people out

Paying a fee or commission to an unlicensed person for referring insurance business is generally not permitted in New York. This catches ordinary commercial arrangements that people assume are fine: a car dealer paid per policy sold, a contractor paid for sending clients, a landlord paid for steering tenants to a particular renters policy.

There are narrow allowances for nominal thank-you gestures within the $25 ceiling and for genuine advertising arrangements that are not per-sale, and the details matter. If somebody has offered you money for sending them insurance business, or asked you for it, that is worth checking before agreeing rather than after.

For what it is worth: we are delighted when people send their neighbours and family here, and we will not pay you for it. We will say thank you.

What is legitimately allowed

Genuine loss-mitigation services provided by an insurer — a water leak sensor, a telematics device, a security discount — where they are properly part of the insurance programme rather than a sweetener. The Department has issued guidance on where that line falls, and it is a real distinction rather than a loophole.

Discounts and credits that are in the carrier's filed rating rules: multi-policy, claims-free, protective device, defensive driving, good student, paid-in-full. Those are not rebates. They are the filed rate applying correctly to your facts, and getting all of them is a large part of what we are for.

The distinction is worth holding on to: a credit inside the filed rate is available to everybody who qualifies and is applied by rule. A gift outside it is available to whoever is being persuaded, and is applied by negotiation. The first is the system working; the second is the thing 2324 forbids.

In order

How this works in practice

  1. No gift for a quote

    Not a gift card, not a tablet, not a waived payment. Above $25 and not in the policy, it is what the statute is about.

  2. No referral fee to the unlicensed

    However ordinary the arrangement looks. Worth checking before you agree to one, not after.

  3. Filed credits, applied in full

    Multi-policy, claims-free, protective device, defensive driving, good student. Those are rules, not favours.

  4. Thanks, though

    Send us your neighbours and we will be glad. We will not pay you for it and we will say why.

Questions we are actually asked

Gifts, referrals and rebating — frequently asked

Why won't you give me a gift card for a quote?

Because New York Insurance Law 2324 prohibits a producer from offering an inducement not specified in the policy above $25 in value. Agencies that do it are competing on presents rather than on advice, and the cost of the present is inside the premiums either way.

Can I get paid for referring people to you?

No. Paying a fee to an unlicensed person for referring insurance business is generally not permitted in New York, and that catches arrangements people assume are ordinary — dealers, contractors and landlords paid per policy. We would still be glad of the referral.

Is a multi-policy discount a rebate?

No. Credits in the carrier's filed rating rules — multi-policy, claims-free, protective device, defensive driving, good student, paid in full — are the filed rate applying correctly to your facts. They are available by rule to everybody who qualifies, which is exactly what distinguishes them from an inducement.

Another agency offered me a free device with my policy. Is that allowed?

It depends what it is. A genuine loss-mitigation device provided as part of the insurance programme can be legitimate and the Department has issued guidance on it. A consumer gadget offered as a sweetener for buying is a different thing. If you are unsure, the question to ask is whether it reduces the risk or only the sales resistance.

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Ask us what it would cost

Send or bring the summary pages of what you already have — those two sheets are where most of the useful conversation is. We will tell you what we would place it with and what that would cost, what we are paid for doing it, and whether you should move at all. Quite often the answer is that your current policy is priced fairly and you should keep it, and that is an answer we give in writing like any other.